good science, BTW, is based on UNCERTAINTY – the scientific method revolves around testing hypotheses to see if there is a way to disprove or refine them.

I used to belong to a forum where psysics was the main topic of discussion, and when I spoke about the metaphysical I was often scoffed at (though sometimes applauded) there. What irks me is that when people who, should be most open to hypothesis, about anything in the natural world, are so quick to scoff…at ideas around what Godhead could be, and when they tend to poo poo, most anything having to do with a theory that a form of intelligent reasoning has had something to do with the evolution of universes, is wrong, to me also.

I believe that we have an EXTREMELY LIMITED imagination as humans at times,(as you said) and that, had I not been raised around people such as yourself Stephen, who were interested in varying hypothesis about broader subject matter such as evolution over godhead, then I too, might be trapped into believeing just about anything. Narrow minded thinking appears to be status quo in many parts of this country. Even after the cultural revolution that was the sixties, iconically.

So with a hint of compassion for these narrow minded thinkers, many good decent “folks”, I yet recognise the ignorance bandied about in these (hopefully) evolving, two “camps” or schools of thought. That of EVOLUTION vs. CREATION)

Sorry to say, but I personally, find much fault in both camps.
Creationists are a rough bunch when confronted with the facts of existance, while at the same time, those who profess a higher minded intelligence, with science backing them, can be equally hard~headed.

Both Creationist and Skeptics/Athiests can be completely arrogent, and closed off. Closed to a possibly higher mind. I would like to see more fair, perhaps just agnostic, wait and see attitudes, where this is concerned.

Truth is, with all the facts we have, there is no scientific measure and no major research being sone into the field of paranormal research with recognized scientists, today. All are afraid it seems they would be lauded as fools if they looked into paranormal structures.
Therefore, things like spirit, are not being thouroughly investigated, NDE’s are neglected, and things such as ghosts, and aliens/ETs still scoffed at. What are crop circles? No one knows and science is too intelligent, to rational, to investigate it.

What of these lay lines in our earth, and vortexes? Who knows? For science is trained to laugh at such things, and especially at paranormal believers…who know and have evidence, that something interesting, is going on magnetically and perhaps with our “spiritual DNA”.

So~ I ask…Where is the happy medium?

If you spend nearly three years ’round Physorg.com…you too may be disgusted with both ways of thinking. I believe that what we believe affects our lives, our *souls* our ultimate evolution, and “The Collective Consciousness”.

Having lost the ability to care what outcome is TRUE at lifes end, frees the mind also. I would like to believe that, the Gods, we humans have created to keep us happy, have been manifested in a sense, by our very belief and faith expended, if God(s) were not in fact more spiritually sensed by our mental DNA, so to speak…”honed” onto by the human mind, sensed in a sort of parallel dimensioal shift, to a higher mind set.

Whatever happens, I wont profess to know!
But at the souls taking leave, the *spirit* catipulting from this bodily vessel, I feel that WE do not die. Most will agree from mere instinct alone.

I’d like to believe that perhaps, The Christs, the Gandis, The Buddhas, EXIST and INTERACT, than not. That our greatest Earthly teachers (every single one a part of this WHOLE) are out there, perhaps wrestling still? with how and why LIFE will continue to evolve, and that they have a part in eternal decisions.

Id like to believe that, given some direction, that we humans may be able to, or do play a part in how things evolve, (by our very attempts to evolve) with every aware decision…and that our souls EXPAND, as the Universe EXPANDS.

No one can tear a human belief away from that human, all we have to war with these false delusions around us. Knowing that our gentle persuasions, may or may not affect the outcome with any quickness, the outcomes may come down the road. Just as a parent may not get something that a child understands inherantly, a gentle prod may not be felt immediately, but be acknowledged a bit furthur “down the road”

So that, with heart, and sound reasoning we will slowly evolve into more humane creatures with broader understandings about the variety of ways a person can live with and without ideas of God, without needing to be inhumane, to those who differ, or advance a bit more slowly into new worlds of thought.

If the counter~coulture, as I have known it, had not so descended into the status quo, (possibly because of need to expand into entity who had the means to fufill dreams such as home ownership and travel) then we would perhaps have more sway, in the world today, but we still have sway.

If we had merely had a bit more force, and had determined to get a bit more political, (playing that dirty game) perhaps evolution/expansion of mental degrees would have come sooner, but it will come, as it must, for surely we cannot become ever more ignorant.

I guess my point is mainly, that we learned we couldn’t force growth on a nation, a country, a world EXCEPT by changing our very selves, and being an example to others. This is where you have thrived…in my opinion, with The Farm, Stephen.

Your collective has been an example of greater open~mindedness, and awareness expansion…and that is a darned good thing. To be examples of good works, at times, is probably all we can do to make mental change in the world.

Now what I would like to know is WHY the scientific community so vehemantly rejects that the things of the spirit ARE as important, as other scientific explorations.

It occurs to me, that the scientific community has had taught, right out of them, an exploring spirit about us humans, in this sense. That they have been trained to be agnostic, and leaned, perhaps a bit too far, into pure skepticism. Or at the very least, they may have lost (at times) any former ability to keep an open perspective around potentials in creation/evolution. It can be very dissappointing, leading one to wonder when real advancements will come, in physics or a Unified Field Theory, so long as certain real life aspects are left under~explored.

While all the great minds seem to be busy squabbling over whether creationists will ever get it. I feel that an idea of the potential of Godhead, has been anesthethetically [sic] siezed from them, or eliminated from the Scientific arena, and while it is no longer necessary to explain all of life, it may play a part, still.
While creationist lounge in the idea that Faith is all pervading and just enough, Science may have thrown out the baby with the bathwater.

The absolute sense of certainty on both fronts is disheartening to me, and an idea of Godhead need not be eliminated from all of life, for a person to be understood as…or called rational.

Rational scientists sometimes, alas, also include certain ideas of what God may be, IF for some it is a perfect mathmatical answer…for another it could be the way physics works itself. For me it is this and all the other workings that make up Lifes ENERGIES, which is my Godhead. It is all inclusive and needs no hell, as humans defiantly, adamently do, to feel good about justice, it seems.

The flux and flow of all these energies,& interconnections, in this holographic matrix we call life is God to me. No one, no matter what degree they have (humanly) earned can tear my strange glorius idea of god from me. And I would like to be seen as more than a crazy fool, for having ideas on God, grasping at an understanding the basics about physics, and meshing the two.

Please forgive me, any/all grammatic mistakes~

~peace~

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_over.htm

Humans are not generally very capable of thinking in massive quantities of anything. Our brains seem tuned to deal with time and space at only a level that is immediately relevant for survival. A long time to us is 10 years. A long journey is 5000 miles (and that is only because we have airplanes – 10 miles was once a long journey!)

Certain experiences can help the brain get a better sense of scale. Like taking a very long flight while looking out the window. Or having a science teacher who emphasizes how the size of the atom contrasts with that of the sun.

Even with such experiences, perhaps the most important thing to learn is how limited we are in conceptualizing vastness. It’s truly a leap for all of us to believe that a process that is not discernible in their daily lives can be the very basis for their own existence. And yet we make the same kind of leap when we come to understand the spherical shape of the Earth.

it means the best job that scientists can do of explaining how some phenomenon in nature works, based on the available evidence. it’s just short of a “law” in the scientific sense, and there are very few laws in biological science. most of the scientific laws are in physics, which is sort of the science behind all science.

tell the kids have no problem imagining a God who could be the guidng power of a universe in which evolution could happen. they look at me like I’m another wiggy school teacher, which is okay with me. this may sound wacky to “hard atheists” as well as to fundamentalists, but for many of us, there is no contradiction between being astonished by the diversity of the natural world and the evolutionary forces that have shaped it (and continue to do so) and letting “praise to the Creator rise” as the old hymn puts it. it;s a spiritual experience to walk n the forest or by the tidepools and marvel at the ways that mitochrondria function similarly in redwood trees, mushrooms, badgers, one-celled yeasts, birds, grasses, you and me. that’s my church, and you are welcome to worship there.

In the parlance of our times, word.

So pleased to discover that you have a blog.

The real question is why do you so badly not believe in a God? So badly want others to subscribe to life as you see it; is if to convince yourself that your beliefs are true by convincing others? Why try to stop others from free thought and choice because it doesn’t fall in line with your own beliefs? I find your views on the matter limiting; that which you say others views are.

What’s so wrong-headed about the “intelligent design” idea is that in reality it pertains not to religious belief, but rather to Darwin’s theory. Evolution is based on scientific explanation, which in turn is founded on the causality principle, and if there is anything more characteristic of intelligent design than the causality principle, I can’t imagine what it would be. I suppose you might even say that it was God’s big gift to mankind.